Episode 29 – The One Where We Drink 19 Beers Counting

In this weeks show, episode29, Josh Duggar is accused of reading a German children’s book about the evolution of sexual grooming to an underage Christian dummy on a mechanical bull.

Welcome to another blasphemous episode of Waiting for Wrath; where we rip apart the headlines; where making a point is beside the point; where we ridicule the the stupid in our world, so it doesn’t drive us insane.

We’re not experts and we make no apologies for our opinions — so — let’s have a discussion, revel in the digression and, some god forbid, have a laugh or two.

Now, grab a beer and help us test the god hypothesis — because, while Actual Creator of Universes, Stan Leehasn’t struck us down yet, we are trying his patience!

Shea: This week I learned a penny saved is worthless, fuck pennies.

Jenn: While not technically religious in nature, tonight’s trivia is in honor of Memorial Day. Created following the Civil War, it is in honor of soldiers who have died in battle only, not living veterans.

Aaron: In this weeks show, episode29, Josh Duggar is accused of reading a German children’s book about the evolution of sexual grooming to an underage Christian dummy on a mechanical bull.



A quick update from Jim’s Good Gay news from Episode 16.

The LGBTQ anti-discrimination ordinance passed in Laramie. Sadly, it only passed in Laramie, but it’s a step in the right direction.

iTunes Reviews!

This funny, smart, and thought provoking podcast helps me start every day. Highly recommended! Jenn is hilarious!


These guys do a great job discussing news and issues and providing thoughtful feedback. Keep up the good work. 5 Stars. Signed, A Thoughtful Dissenter.



You Can Call Me Al

Gilgamesh Brewing- Mamba

I happen to know that Jenn will probably HATE this one, because it has an IBU rating of 1- virtually no hops- but my husband and I really loved it. We came across it at the Wooden Shoe Tulip festival in Oregon last summer. We would have been happy to have more than one, but we were hiding our sins from my Mormon sister and her children :)

Steve: But first, let’s have a beer!

This Week’s Beer:

Ovila Abbey Saison – Mandarin Oranges & Peppercorns Sierra Nevada Brewing Co.

  • Beer DB: http://bit.ly/1AfCQLJ
  • BA Rating: 86
  • Style: Saison / Farmhouse Ale
  • ABV: 7.50
  • Shea: 9
  • Jenn: 2
  • Aaron: 9
  • Steve: 2
  • Vice1331: 9

    Vice’s Notes:

    This beer is made with mandarin oranges and peppercorn. Many rich layers that will keep your mouth entertained. Probably my favorite beer. It also has a pretty cool backstory. (See below)

This Week’s Stories:

Jenn: Germany’s Catholic Church Just Took An Amazing Step For LGBT And Remarried Catholics: http://bit.ly/1SyXJal

Aaron: Christian Dummy Questions Evolution http://bit.ly/1HGO3Et

Steve: Christian Pastor Uses Bull to Draw in Converts http://bit.ly/1Ri3oQs

Shea: Patreon Exclusive Story!

14 Lessons from a Conservative Christian Couple’s Book About Dating and Sex. http://bit.ly/1FMh7Lt

Second Half Discussion: Josh Duggar is a cunt.

Josh Duggar Admits to Molesting Several Sisters as a Teen: http://bit.ly/1HGQ0Rm

March 2002: A young girl told Jim Bob that Josh (then 14 years old) “had been touching her breasts and genitals while she slept.”

July 2002: Josh admits to fondling the young girl from March.

March 2003: Josh is accused of having molested “several” more minors, “often when they slept, but at times when they were awake.”

Jim Bob then brings this information before his church’s leadership and the group collectively decides to send Josh to a “program [that] consisted of hard physical work and counseling.”

But are they a “good” family? Watch Michelle Duggar accept ‘Mother of the Year’ award from pastor who resigned for adultery http://bit.ly/1Sz019t

In a 2004 profile on CBS, entitled “What a Mother!” Michelle Duggar is quoted as saying, “We actually didn’t set out to have a large number of children. I don’t think that was our intention when we were first married. But I think we realized children are a gift.”

Founder of Josh Duggar’s “treatment center” left after “sexually grooming” teens: http://bit.ly/1HGQas8

Bill Gothard, a Christian writer and minister, founded the Institute in Basic Life Principles (IBLP) in 1961, as a way to help families resolve issues by using Biblical principles.

Mike Huckabee: Even Though He May Have Fondled Little Girls’ Breasts and Vaginas, I Still Support Josh Duggar http://bit.ly/1HGQNC0

Mike Huckabee’s Facebook fans tear him to shreds for defending Josh Duggar http://bit.ly/1SyZN21

Responses: http://on.fb.me/1JX1rGV

Speaking of Defending Josh…

‘Boys are curious’: Meet the Duggar defenders using religion to excuse fondling your sleeping sisters: http://bit.ly/1Sz0ico 

Ray Comfort: Josh Duggar Wasn’t Really a Christian When He Molested Those Girls http://bit.ly/1Sz0A37

Creationist Eric Hovind took a similar approach, saying Duggar should be forgiven. His defense of Duggar, however, somehow included evolution:

If evolution is true, then there is no absolute right and wrong. If evolution is true Josh should not have admitted his faults over a decade ago because what one evolved bag of molecules does to another bag of molecules just doesn’t really matter. If evolution is true there is no ultimate Judge on the bench who will hold every man, woman, and child responsible for their actions. And if evolution is true you will not give an account for every idle word you speak.

Mom of gun-toting Quiverfull family: 14-year-old Josh Duggar was ‘playing doctor,’ so leave him alone http://bit.ly/1Sz0IQ4

So… What Is Quiverfull? Here’s a look inside the Duggars’ dangerous Christian cult: http://bit.ly/1Sz11u9

Judge covers up the original report http://bit.ly/1Ht2idH

Next Week’s Beer:

Wells Banana Bread Beer – Wells & Young’s Ltd

Provided by friend of the show: Vice1331

Beer DB: http://bit.ly/1Aq70M9

  • BA Rating: 80
  • Style: Fruit / Vegetable Beer
  • ABV: 5.2%

Faith In Humanity Restored:

Ireland votes overwhelmingly in favor of same-sex marriage http://cnn.it/1FMihGQ

The official results were announced Saturday at a Dublin Castle press conference: 1,201,607 voted in favorof the landmark referendum, while 734,300 voted against it, said Ríona Ní Fhlanghaile, an elections official.

First country to have Nationally Marriage Equality by vote.

Voter turnout in the majority Catholic nation was more than 60%, according to Fhlanghaile.

Many Irish citizens flew back to vote on the issue, tweeting on the hashtag #HomeToVote

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Bonus Cat Video:

Here Is Josh Duggar Making a Joke on Television About Incest


Additional Beer Information

From Sierra Nevada’s website—

Ovila Abbey Ales will closely follow the traditions established by centuries of monastic brewing. “Thirty years ago, I never thought we would be working with a monastery,” says Ken Grossman, founder of Sierra Nevada Brewing Co. “I first toured some of the Belgian abbey breweries in the 1980’s, and I’ve been fascinated with the beers ever since. It’s exciting for us to work on this project, and to experiment with these unique Belgian-inspired styles. The response so far has been great, and I can’t wait for the first release.”

The first beer in the Ovila series—a Belgian-style Abbey Dubbel—will be released from the brewery on March 1, 2011. The following beers in the series—a Saison farmhouse-style ale and an Abbey Quadrupel—will be released on July 1st and November 1st, respectively. These remarkable ales will be packaged in 750mL cage-and-cork bottles featuring artwork inspired by the historic Santa Maria de Ovila monastery.

A portion of the proceeds from the sale of these beers will go toward the restoration of the historic Ovila chapter house building on the grounds of the Abbey of New Clairvaux in Vina, California, just a few miles north of Sierra Nevada’s home in Chico. This medieval chapter house was begun in 1190 near the village of Trillo, Spain. Monks lived, prayed, and worked there for nearly 800 years. In 1931, newspaper magnate William Randolph Hearst purchased the abbey, dismantled it stone-by-stone, and shipped it to Northern California. Hearst’s plans were never realized, and the stones fell into disrepair. In 1994, the monks of the Abbey of New Clairvaux gained possession of the ruins, and began the painstaking reconstruction of the historic abbey.

Ovila Abbey Ales are Belgian-style beers brewed in a centuries-old abbey tradition. These beers are an homage to the legendary monastic breweries, but are not Trappist beers—nor are they made in connection with the member breweries of the International Trappist Association (I.T.A) headquartered in Belgium.